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		<title>By: food from ukraine</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/about-that-greek-public-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-53261</link>
		<dc:creator>food from ukraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;food from ukraine...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]About that Greek public sector &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>food from ukraine&#8230;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: fimdomundo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fimdomundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;fimdomundo...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]About that Greek public sector &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
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		<title>By: Langley Invisalign</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langley Invisalign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Langley Invisalign...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]About that Greek public sector &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
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		<title>By: dentist Langley</title>
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		<dc:creator>dentist Langley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;dentist Langley...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]About that Greek public sector &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
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		<title>By: cute girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cute girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;cute girl...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]About that Greek public sector &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
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		<title>By: Mencius Moldbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mencius Moldbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now wait: let&#039;s examine this theory of history in objective detail.

You&#039;re telling us: at time T, regime A takes over from regime B.  At time T, the civil service is reasonably small, the government is well-run, the economy is doing fine.

At time T+40 years, the country is bankrupt, the civil service is bloated like Brezhnev, and anything that remains of the private sector is mired in apparently eternal depression.

And, naturally, this is the fault of regime A!  Unbelievable, gentlemen - unbelievable.

Go rent a copy of &quot;Z&quot; and watch the first 10 minutes.  You&#039;ll see what&#039;s wrong with Greece.  Greece fought the mildew.  And the mildew won.

Amazingly enough, Dimitrios Ioannidis is still alive, albeit in jail.  Presumably he can read &lt;i&gt;Kathimerini&lt;/i&gt; as well.  I wonder what &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; thinks Greece&#039;s problem is.  I suspect his theory makes a lot more sense than the Economist&#039;s!  Do the words &quot;tanned, rested and ready&quot; ring any bells for any of you Eurotrash?

Ioannidis!  Ioannidis!  Because history isn&#039;t over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now wait: let&#8217;s examine this theory of history in objective detail.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re telling us: at time T, regime A takes over from regime B.  At time T, the civil service is reasonably small, the government is well-run, the economy is doing fine.</p>
<p>At time T+40 years, the country is bankrupt, the civil service is bloated like Brezhnev, and anything that remains of the private sector is mired in apparently eternal depression.</p>
<p>And, naturally, this is the fault of regime A!  Unbelievable, gentlemen &#8211; unbelievable.</p>
<p>Go rent a copy of &#8220;Z&#8221; and watch the first 10 minutes.  You&#8217;ll see what&#8217;s wrong with Greece.  Greece fought the mildew.  And the mildew won.</p>
<p>Amazingly enough, Dimitrios Ioannidis is still alive, albeit in jail.  Presumably he can read <i>Kathimerini</i> as well.  I wonder what <i>he</i> thinks Greece&#8217;s problem is.  I suspect his theory makes a lot more sense than the Economist&#8217;s!  Do the words &#8220;tanned, rested and ready&#8221; ring any bells for any of you Eurotrash?</p>
<p>Ioannidis!  Ioannidis!  Because history isn&#8217;t over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EU assistance for Greece, and a little on the role of banks in the Greek debt crisis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EU assistance for Greece, and a little on the role of banks in the Greek debt crisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About that Greek public sector (further comment from A Fistful of Euros on Charlemagne&#8217;s post about Papandreou&#8217;s father and recent Greek history).  Read the whole thing. Iâ€™ve always had a very low opinion of Papandreou pere; it hadnâ€™t occurred to me to think of him as a post-conflict figure, trying to restore social comity to a country still riven by its past. Iâ€™m still not sure that was really the case, but itâ€™s an interesting perspective. Iâ€™d be interested in comments from our Greek readers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] About that Greek public sector (further comment from A Fistful of Euros on Charlemagne&#8217;s post about Papandreou&#8217;s father and recent Greek history).  Read the whole thing. Iâ€™ve always had a very low opinion of Papandreou pere; it hadnâ€™t occurred to me to think of him as a post-conflict figure, trying to restore social comity to a country still riven by its past. Iâ€™m still not sure that was really the case, but itâ€™s an interesting perspective. Iâ€™d be interested in comments from our Greek readers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greek society and economy &#171; EconMix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greek society and economy &#171; EconMix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 16, 2010 &#183; Leave a Comment  A very interesting perspective on the situation in Greece. About that Greek public sector by Douglas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fall in Queue: well, I&#039;d disagree with the notion that you should generalize based on national culture, too. Cultures shift, and as for historical attributes, there&#039;s really nothing that the current batch of crisis-stricken European countries have in common that the rest of Europe doesn&#039;t.

The South Korean and German examples of bust aren&#039;t that good. The explanation in the post seems to be that a history of authoritarianism matters because it would lead a country&#039;s political class to be more accommodating to interest group pressure, creating fiscal irresponsibility. Well, South Korea has this history, but that didn&#039;t prevent Kim from going head to head with the chaebol. Whatever caused the crisis, it wasn&#039;t post-reform politics - for one, Kim only took office a couple of months before the crisis. Germany, maybe. It did pour a lot of money into the East. But countries routinely subsidize their poor regions, and take economic hits in their rich regions for it, regardless of history.

If you&#039;re just expanding the definition of crisis and stagnation to include everything in recent history, then South Korea isn&#039;t any different from Sweden and Finland, and Germany isn&#039;t any different from France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fall in Queue: well, I&#8217;d disagree with the notion that you should generalize based on national culture, too. Cultures shift, and as for historical attributes, there&#8217;s really nothing that the current batch of crisis-stricken European countries have in common that the rest of Europe doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The South Korean and German examples of bust aren&#8217;t that good. The explanation in the post seems to be that a history of authoritarianism matters because it would lead a country&#8217;s political class to be more accommodating to interest group pressure, creating fiscal irresponsibility. Well, South Korea has this history, but that didn&#8217;t prevent Kim from going head to head with the chaebol. Whatever caused the crisis, it wasn&#8217;t post-reform politics &#8211; for one, Kim only took office a couple of months before the crisis. Germany, maybe. It did pour a lot of money into the East. But countries routinely subsidize their poor regions, and take economic hits in their rich regions for it, regardless of history.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re just expanding the definition of crisis and stagnation to include everything in recent history, then South Korea isn&#8217;t any different from Sweden and Finland, and Germany isn&#8217;t any different from France.</p>
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		<title>By: fall in queue</title>
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		<dc:creator>fall in queue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon Levy,

The claim was never that a troubled past inevitably leads to bad economic performance.  The claim was that in order to understand current economic performance it is better to look at the history of a country&#039;s political and economic institutions, rather than relying on generalizations about national character or local culture.  Do you disagree with that?

By the way, I also cannot resist pointing out that your comparisons are a bit absurd.  The South Korean economy went bust and had to resort to the IMF barely a decade ago; Germany struggled, and still struggles, with the aftermath of reunification (check out the unevenness of unemloyment figures, the rise of neo-Nazism in the East, etc.); Hungary is, as we speak, hardly in any better shape than Greece; and so on and so forth.  Don&#039;t make quick judgments based on what happens to dominate the headlines for the last few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon Levy,</p>
<p>The claim was never that a troubled past inevitably leads to bad economic performance.  The claim was that in order to understand current economic performance it is better to look at the history of a country&#8217;s political and economic institutions, rather than relying on generalizations about national character or local culture.  Do you disagree with that?</p>
<p>By the way, I also cannot resist pointing out that your comparisons are a bit absurd.  The South Korean economy went bust and had to resort to the IMF barely a decade ago; Germany struggled, and still struggles, with the aftermath of reunification (check out the unevenness of unemloyment figures, the rise of neo-Nazism in the East, etc.); Hungary is, as we speak, hardly in any better shape than Greece; and so on and so forth.  Don&#8217;t make quick judgments based on what happens to dominate the headlines for the last few weeks.</p>
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